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INGRID: so I'm really excited about today's topic it's how did social media bring us together and i i don't even i wish i had like all of it like documented and recorded and a better memory I'm sure our dms are there to like go back and look at but we all kind of met through Instagram i feel we all kind of had our pages going on and i feel bad because i don't have like a pinpoint moment whenever i first met you guys but i do remember like pivotal moments whenever we became friends so um i remember desi when we first had our chat about the eight percent on clubhouse so if you guys don't know we have a clubhouse group for bilingual slps and a few of us started it on Instagram and then it grew and grew and grew and one of our very important first chats was about are we as cuban-americans mexican-americans you know latinx uh community are we part of the eight percent and so desi and i were both very firm that we felt like maybe we weren't a part of the eight percent of slp's who was um racially not white and we started a whole i don't know what would you call it desi? DESI: we stirred the pot oh yeah we stirred the pot people weren't ready to hear or have this conversation INGRID: um yeah because we were not talking about anybody identifying as anything for themselves we were just talking about our own personal like we felt that we had a lot of skin tone privilege and we were ready to talk about it and that was just us it was just where we were at and i don't remember the time or day but i remember just being in awe of desi just like showing me and showing us how to stand up for our uh Black latinx slps and i was like yep that's someone i need to be friends with and learned from because it was hard she put herself out there you know and i saw her put herself out there and i was like how are you friends with that girl
since then i was like bugging her on instagram all the time and yeah i think at some point we exchanged messages and text messaging and calls and had more and more clubhouse chats of that same really like tough conversations but cathartic conversations and um i feel like desi and i are very different we're pretty different people we had really different upbringings and somehow we're both on the same page at the same time so um i think that's how we came together DESI: yeah i remember clearly the day that you messaged me and said hey i'm you know we're starting a clubhouse i'm starting a clubhouse so um you know if you want to give me your phone number i'll send you the invitation INGRID: and you're like who is this freak? DESI: i was like oh Ingrid um you know because i was really brand new to instagram um and it's really funny because lately i've been on such a huge hiatus if anyone follows me there i am just really um trying to conserve some energy here for the end of this uh 2021 year and um you know i found myself yeah like deep in instagram like my husband's like whoa like you are like on there all the time you're creating content um you know it's it's a really slippery slope sometimes and um i found that over time not only was i connecting with you ingrid specifically over clubhouse but i found myself um you know learning about different controversial topics or complicated subjects that were coming up on instagram and you turned into my sounding board i'm like hey did you see this what is this interpret this for me am i getting this right or am i getting this wrong um you know and it's just it's i find it really funny because i feel like everyone who is that involved in instagram has or i hope they find a community like we have because i just think it's so important um you know i can't imagine what it's like to filter all of the crazy messaging that there is out there um without some friends to turn to and be like whoa did you see this pose did you see this reel um so INGRID: yeah it turned into what did asha do now? situation DESI: yeah and actually at the be at the end of this year i'm realizing i've drafted and or sent three letters to asha this year so i think that's a positive effect of instagram um but at the same time i i recognize that it drains me in other ways so i'm trying to find that i'm trying to find a balance right now my balance is no instagram at all but i'm trying to work my way back into it for 2022 in the most reasonable and healthy way so INGRID: that's true yes well and then i met liza through instagram too and then i and here we are DESI: i know and i remember um you know once people start coming to clubhouse regularly which um you know liza was doing it was just one of those things where like the people who have like a lot of clarity and have been through the ringer and have come out the other side like i just feel like when those people come on and share something on clubhouse like you have um you know it's just like oh yeah i want to be friends with this person like yeah did they learn that because i feel like i need to learn that or wow that's something that i would have said um so yeah no it was a great thing that this came full circle um i feel like clubhouse was also a really strong link for all of us INGRID: right because we started hosting a few i remember we hosted that um student loan one together even before any of this came to be but I'll backtracked a little bit because how i met liza was really amazing and i i don't forget this one um liza dm'd me after one of our clubhouse chats and then you guys know that i like to summarize it and put it on my page for everybody to see what we talked about um someone from another page and i i think it was amy from cup of council podcast had seen our post and i think liza had reached out to her about microaggressions and amy said hey you should check out ingrid she was talking about microaggressions the other day and liza dm me and i was she was so heartfelt in her dm i was like girl let's zoom like i feel like we need to like this is a lot what you're going through like i can't like properly just like text you back and we set up a zoom and we talked like i feel like i thought oh my gosh we're going to talk for like 15 minutes you know she's gonna realize that i've got nothing to say like i looked up some articles on micro regressions LIZA: you? LIZA: you know
and and we talked for like three hours that night huh lisa yeah it was i could have been in my kitchen and just cooking and talking to you LIZA: i ran to my husband and i was like you know that girl ingrid he was like no i'm like the one my speech plan the one the council told me about he was like i don't know any of these words you're using and i'm like anyway she agreed to zoom with me and he was like oh moving on up but i joined instagram for just one single person one friend of mine interned with me uh from ontario she came to montreal to do like a bilingual internship and she didn't have facebook and she knew i was posting videos of my daughter and doing little speech tips and she asked me can you please put it on instagram so the only reason i joined instagram was to share my facebook videos to this one friend no idea about the push for social justice that was happening on social media about all the people like you and me that were just kind of struggling alone in our little isolated right so what uh what a whirlwind did i have like a whole i know exactly when i met every single person i don't have like the dates but i know this those specific moments because it started with with that which is instagram with that one friend and then i realized that other people i knew were on instagram just random people someone from church someone from choir right so people from different different parts of my life all different kinds of people were on instagram and then i was like oh let me see if other speech therapists are on here but nobody i knew personally speech wise was on instagram it was it was either i have no speech therapists around or i just had a bunch of strangers and i didn't really know or follow sorry follow think about facebook so i didn't know how instagram worked if you like follow someone are you friends with them like on facebook is it weird is it like stalkerish i really didn't know so i wasn't following a lot of uh instagram slps except those big famous ones with like 20 30 40k followers which you will never get access to like you could like a post or write a comment but no no responses and they all happen to be white just just from my observations then um one girl from ottawa did like a little puppet show and i i just admired her so much because i was like i wonder if i'd ever have the guts to like show my face on instagram or like do one of my activities because back then it was all just my daughter and like activities for my daughter and i reached out to her so that was my first time reaching out to a stranger and she was like i love your stuff i watch your stuff with your daughter and i was like oh my god that's so crazy and she encouraged me to add a bunch of local local speech therapists so that's when i found lots of them like with 2 300 followers like little little little accounts like mine and um and then i fell on cup of council but not really it was speech cabin it was like the speech cabin or something oh i think that's i think that's amy's account yeah so hers i added just randomly and then she had like a generic uh welcome to my page kind of dm that went straight to me and mentioned her cup of council podcast and i was like ooh slp is doing a podcast like that's interesting so i listened to theirs and i thought wouldn't it be so fun to do a podcast with like what's it called attacking all the things that i'm struggling with right now i don't know if anyone existed but i i don't know i didn't really have the guts to like step it up like ingrid and desi um so i wrote to amy said i loved cup of council if she'd ever want to talk i would love that and she was like ooh someone from montreal and just the thought that i would be on anyone's mind was also just how is this possible but anyway so we had a chat and it just kind of spiraled into all the things i was struggling with at work in terms of feeling isolated microaggressions just just being an slp of color and not knowing how to navigate a predominantly white um field and she said you need to meet ingrid so i said okay tell me more and she was like she actually goes by my speech blend i was like ooh my speech blend and then she mentioned clubhouse and like my husband these are all new words to me i was like clubhouse sure yes of course and it was still invite only back then i know it like iphones only iphone's only invite only yeah i i couldn't believe it so she said to reach out to you and so you i know you probably don't feel this ingrid but like you had a lot more followers than the little accounts i was following not counting those big ones which i actually happen to like unfollow now because it wasn't they weren't really helpful to me in the end and i i was looking more for connections and people i can actually speak to and reach out to not just little tip videos that weren't exactly in the domain that i was working in but anyway you had more than the regular ones that i was speaking to so i i just assumed you were never gonna see the message and you wrote me back right away INGRID: yeah i think you caught me right after work yeah LIZA: and we're not on in the same time zone either so there's that and yeah you wanted to zoom and then you mentioned the rest so you invited me to clubhouse that was the whole thing too oh she's got my phone number again yes INGRID: well i whenever you talk you messaged me i was like i cannot i cannot just like send a dm like you know like you were so stressed and i was like what is happening over there in canada yeah yeah it wasn't i i was i don't know stressed yeah i was stressed but i think i was like disappointed in the lack of change that was taking place and i didn't know what else to do and you really really did empower me in that conversation even the shift from saying info not seeing informal assessment and calling it dynamic assessments that's really what was happening it changed everything in my profession in the way i spoke up for myself and all of my colleagues now use that term too INGRID: yeah yeah because i had just um i think it was uh lily from bilingual speechy who had said she doesn't even use informal uh language sample like she doesn't use the word informal when she's describing her review of a language sample like there's nothing informal about it yeah you know DESI: i don't remember if it was based on that too but i think around the same time that post came out i was like hey this is crap like why am i using this word it makes it sound like what i do is not a clinical measure like this is just ridiculous um i think and i think that that's a nice thing too like i feel like you know sometimes i i try to convince people i find um like hey are you on instagram hey do you participate in this community like there are so many things that um i don't care to participate in kind of like you were saying liza about like those really really big accounts that are kind of they feel like very much like they're trying to sell you a product or something i don't really enjoy those as much i mean they're fine um and i follow some of them but um just for like general knowledge and you know just awareness um on certain important clinical topics like yeah i've changed it if i'm going to call it some sort of other assessment i call it a clinical measure or a dynamic assessment why would i say that i'm doing something informal like no way LIZA: absolutely formal so the irony with the word formal is that if you're doing a formal language sample it's not natural and it's not the language sample that you're actually looking for you're looking for one through play through conversation and then the test battery i can't get over that so as this is i know offside speech stuff but when they talk about doing a test battery on a child a lot of us think that it's like multiple tests i did this test in this test and now i did the full battery but i really feel the point of a battery is just to get the child in different situations to see if they really perform that way whether it's in class at home on the playground like one of them could be like a formal one formal or whatever like the the standard protocol but yeah it's just we need to be careful what words we're using and not downplay the the good work that's being done in very creative ways INGRID: right yeah i think i was having a conversation with someone the other day i'm trying to find what i said because i had a way more mem like work on my mind oh i think we were talking about um how do we present these scores um because we have to like at the schools we have to right i mean desi you know that um so even if we don't agree with standardization and standardized samples like we have to present them and so i was telling her like i just presented hey remember this is just a snapshot in time one day of how this child performs one test like it doesn't you know mean everything for the rest of their life so i was talking to her about that and i'm like and i also think like whenever we are giving these assessments we can't just like give them willy-nilly like there is critical thinking that goes into choosing what we're choosing and which parts of it and what we're going to learn from them so i don't know i just feel like that's not taught in school enough and that's why so many slps rely on on "formal assessment because they weren't taught to trust their clinical decision making skills LIZA: but even being flexible enough to change the test even midway like oh this is not an appropriate one for this child or this
INGRID: and say that on the reports! "i discontinued because..."
LIZA: oh all of our babies are just out here right there all the time INGRID: mine came in for water Liza's baby needed to go bathroom desi's woke up he just woke up um but the same person that i was chatting to that she's like telling me how happy she is with our moving forward with our bold slp collective i told her we're kind of hibernating right now like we're all moms we're all on break from school like it's all right and she's like if you need a person who's not a mom and i'm like oh i can't wait to like grow it like that you know where we have other people DESI: and i was gonna say i would love to um have this discussion uh um as a topic later on i think yeah it's so important because i feel like the way to break out of you know the the clinical ruts that we're in is to hear other you know just other other ways i mean i feel like every time i read a report from somebody else i'm always trying to reflect like you know how does this really reflect like who this child is and yeah i'm always trying to think you know especially if i know the child and i read a report and i'm like is this really the essential information that i need um i just read a report that had no uh standardized testing in it um and it was um but it was a teletherapy evaluation um so it was really hard to establish rapport it was a child with like very few words like i don't again like i i don't know like that person could have done a lot of things differently but you know it just it just makes it so that i'm always thinking like hmm how would i have done this differently especially with a child who's not very verbal you know what should that look like um so yeah i just i feel like um there's so many great options for figuring out you know what communication looks like in different settings and and sometimes we're just so stuck on these standardized assessments when it's just the most contrived thing on on earth INGRID: well to our listeners like this little sideways chat that's how all of our conversations would go we always like would go on and on and like we're all so passionate about what we do and i feel like it's interesting because we're all in our own settings but still connect so much like and even though we're in different countries in different settings but that's what we connected over we connected over motherhood over things we care about over what we see in this profession as the future even though we're all pretty veteran clinicians like we have like kind of changed pretty much everything we were taught yeah as we've gone along um so i don't know i'm just so glad i found you guys LIZA: i appreciate that the patience in this group like the fact that we're all mothers is huge because in our whatsapp it's like sorry i can't talk my kid's sick or sorry we all have covet or like everyone seems to understand exactly what it is and INGRID: we believe you yeah
LIZA: can you imagine if we were working with like i don't know like a single person who like difficult for them to understand what we need and how much of a break we need at this time but INGRID: even someone who had a nanny like let's not even go that far LIZA: honestly or money if we just we never INGRID: it wasn't covid DESI: now i'm really laughing like if we had money lets really laugh hard at that one we're looking at oh my gosh it's just too funny i do think that like again like this is what is um the magical thing about social media you know you stay on there long enough you can find people and i feel like covid really facilitated you know this kind of um happening you know like this the fact that we were able to come together but um yeah i'm yeah i'm pumped i'm and it's so funny because this also happens to be an episode this is um the first time that we've reunited in probably like a month at least so it feels great i'm so glad to be here with you guys again INGRID: yay so i stopped you guys because you started veering into our next episode topic oh how motherhood is oh and being a working parent and how like motherhood affects what how we are as slps and vice versa so we can just keep going but this can be two different ones LIZA: just quickly on the topic of social media like you're right desi like the longer you stay on the more likely you are of meeting like the right people but you really have to step out of your comfort zone and like reach out to people and dm them and i i can't imagine ingrid if i never wrote back to cup of council or speech cabin like i wouldn't have met you i wouldn't have met desi i would not have been on clubhouse for sure but it's it's scary because you can get not so much a rejection but maybe someone just won't see your message or they'll say sorry i don't have time or invite one random slp who was like that'll be a hundred dollars if you want INGRID: i think you have to have like a thick skin but also like a perspective LIZA: i think i learned that i learned that in this group like what what not to take personally yeah but but also what is an actual attack like to really decipher between those two and it's one thing to be called sensitive but then it's another thing to just like call out something that's not okay so i like i like that example with clubhouse yeah because i personally when i joined you guys were all professionals i was the one with the little party hat and i was like i and you like called me right up to the stage INGRID: because i was so happy you joined after we talked LIZA: and it went really smoothly i loved it i loved all the clubhouses INGRID: i know every time i try to take a break like somebody's like hey let's do another one so it's nice okay it's nice that we got that going and got it started but DESI: are we doing the last word? INGRID: let's see what's my last word on this one um is it what i can't think like what's another way to say like going for it like just going for it to use the day like because i feel like that thing get out there well Liza like how she reached out like she just went for it and then we just went for it with clubhouse like and i joined instagram the same way like just went for it i had no idea and um i remember exactly why and how um and i've talked about this and it was a dream come true talking to her about it with um having our say
tay from having our say and i've already talked to her and i'm like oh my gosh and i connected with her on clubhouse first and i got to tell her that but the reason i joined instagram is her because she presented on the slp summit uh that conference that we had whenever all things shut down and went to teletherapy and they had that like emergency summit that was free talking about teletherapy and she presented on um diversifying your library and then talked about how she had an instagram and how she had written a book and i was like oh my gosh like i need to go see what's going on on instagram because i had one and i never used it so i followed her and then realized what she was doing with smiles for speech and then found all the people doing tick tocks and reels because of her and then all the other bilingual slps came later that was because of Bianca because at first i was just doing like because i love literacy so i was just doing books that i love and then bianca was doing @latina.speechie and she was selling these t-shirts to fundraise for scholarships and i connected with her she's she's the one who taught me the concept of taking up space just like you need to come on here you need to take up space like you have experience you have the background and other girls like me need to know you're out there so she's another one that i always remember like when we connected because she's another reason why i shifted what i was doing on Instagram because i was like you desi was kind of like well it's kind of not fun and then i kind of shifted and started building community and it was totally different from then on DESI: yeah I'm out to jump on that i mean i think my last word is community because of the fact that uh it is a place where you know like i've mentioned a few times i've been on this like long hiatus i don't know how long it's been now but it in Instagram time it's a very long time INGRID: we don't care as long as you still talk to us you can take a hiatus DESI: and that's why i'm still i still follow i'm i'm slowly integrating myself um but it's nice to like get messages or like oh hey i haven't seen you here in a while like it's very sweet it feels almost like you know yeah like a little circle of friends they're like hey you know like we played bridge together you know what you go yeah um so INGRID: we need to have a whole episode on the fact that i don't get any of those references what is bridge? DESI: you said the party hat thing and i'm like what? sorry so no INGRID: on clubhouse you get a party hat LIZA: when you're new INGRID: when it's your first clubhouse DESI: oh i know what you meant now okay okay okay um no i have no idea what bridge is i'm just i just think about like LIZA: it's a old-timey game
DESI: a little viejitas yeah who like get together and they're like oh bridge INGRID: like dominoes?
DESI: no idea yeah yes yes like some sort of like culturally relevant game right um bingo um anyway that's my word and i i i love that it's been um a last word of laughter for us because it's i think that's what it's all about um if you're not having a good time then you know why you don't want to move on yeah INGRID: what about you liza? what's your last word? LIZA: okay wait so we have go for it from ingrid and then we're breaking i i think i might break the rule too but mine would be reach out um reach out i i know none of us got on instagram to become famous or influencers we really were looking to connect with the right people and move our practice forward in the most ethical way um so yeah reach out for me INGRID: that's awesome you're so smart LIZA: so are you too!
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